link: http://www.mediafire.com/?fzjmfambyro0fof.
the essay linked above was written specifically to address the new creationist brochures that were put out by the watchtower at this year's district convention.
the goals of the essay are the following:.
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As requested, here's a Word version for translation purposes: http://www.mediafire.com/?dngdo2q8kv3cvv4
Also, I fixed some minor spelling and grammar errata in the regular PDF. If you're hosting this file long-term, or just getting it, please use this version: http://www.mediafire.com/?3wil5bzi59b2l8f
link: http://www.mediafire.com/?fzjmfambyro0fof.
the essay linked above was written specifically to address the new creationist brochures that were put out by the watchtower at this year's district convention.
the goals of the essay are the following:.
I am not the author, but I posted the essay here on his behalf. He wants to say the following:
I appreciate the kind words and enthusiastic reception. This topic is very important to me, so I though it deserved a good effort. I have altered the title page to include a note about the Creative Commons license that will allow people to share it without worrying about copyright. The only thanks I want is for people to distribute the document freely to whoever may benefit. The updated pdf can be found here: http://www.mediafire.com/?bdtg5jjuuv7e4hw
jwfacts and Besty, feel free to repost whatever you want, just use the new link so that people know they can do the same. Also, thanks to bohm for noticing the LaTeX work.
link: http://www.mediafire.com/?fzjmfambyro0fof.
the essay linked above was written specifically to address the new creationist brochures that were put out by the watchtower at this year's district convention.
the goals of the essay are the following:.
Link: http://www.mediafire.com/?fzjmfambyro0fof
The essay linked above was written specifically to address the new creationist brochures that were put out by the Watchtower at this year's District Convention. The goals of the essay are the following:
1. Explain the fundamentals of the philosophy of science so that people can understand why creationism (specifically the Watchtower's chosen flavor) is not science
2. Refute the various claims the Watchtower makes regarding science (exposing out-of-context quotes, correcting logical errors , and pointing out scientific errors)
3. Explaining basic concepts about how evolution works, the current state of abiogenesis research, and why philosophical design arguments used by the Watchtower fail
The whole thing is thoroughly referenced to both the Watchtower's original sources (to show their dishonest quotations) and the relevant scientific literature so, as the WTBTS would say, "You can check the context."
While the Society tried to be more transparent with their sources and has shifted their aesthetic style a little bit compared to their earlier creationist publications, they make the same mistakes and use the same old tactics. If (when, really) they run a public distribution campaign with this stuff, let's have something to hand right back to them or people that are interested in the topic.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=ps2smuv0bpc55qfiqmgcfggavcbquiv0?xml=/news/2007/12/03/wface103.xml.
(ugh, i can't believe people!!!
(shakes head in disbelief))
(ugh, I can't believe people!!! (shakes head in disbelief))
so did anyone go to the apostate wt study today?
if so, how did your conductor handle it?
any good comments made from the r/f?
There were some pretty stupid comments made yesterday. People from the audiance just kept saying that there all liars and just twist the teachings around to get people to not believe the WTS. The conductor also said that "yea and they always bring up mistakes that might of happened in the past like 1975. That was thirty years ago, we are so way past that were moving forward and there always stuck in the past." I hate how they always use that as a copout. "stop thinking about the past! Now lets talk about world war 1 and how that proves christ coming!" Uh you know that back in 1914 you believed christ came 40 years ago in 1874. "stop living the past!" The last comment was made by a R/F "That is what we love about the truth, it's always changing the light is always getting brighter!" What the F#*k!
as a jw kid, i was always hearing about not listening to certain music.
one reason my mother called me apostate is because she saw some cd's i had - she called it gospel.
some of them were decidedly what is termed "chrisitan" music in the store, some are crossover artists (chrisitian but played on mainstream/top 40 radio) and there is alot of country music that is spiritual for lack of a better word.. i was always under the impression that "unapproved" music would be songs with lyrics that go against biblical principals - sex, drugs, etc, not music that promotes good things in life, or glorifiying god and jesus.
yea when I go out and service I have to not bring my cd case otherwise if people are in my car they start looking through it and asking stupid questions like "why do you listen to these guys they are highly immoral”. Uh give me break On the way to the meeting it’s all about Nine Inch Nails: Terrible Lie And on the way home Tool: Opiate. “Deaf and blind and dumb and born to follow”!
thought this was extremely funny and pathetic:.
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=messageboard.viewthread&entryid=9944510&categoryid=0&issticky=0&groupid=100816827&mytoken=061cb8aa-0f86-4704-94f04bd494eaf4e0414927109.
well technically anyone in a religion other than our own is an apostate.
Ha ha, IDIOTS!!!!! If the end comes tomorrow Jehovah's Witnesses will be the first ones God kills!!
hi everyone, i am supposed to meet with an elder tonight.
i met several times with him before going over questions (my mother thinks he will restore my evil thinking).
anyway we have already gone over all of the basics (1874,1914,607 no answer for this one, the un and everything else).
Thank you all again for welcoming me! Thanks for that little tidbit JWfact about Ray Franz not believing in the trinity I didn't know that. I am currently in the middle of In Search of Christian Freedom. I am going to stop meeting with this elder though, it's just a dog chasing its tail. I have seen both sides and I know what is truth or not, he has only seen the WTS and refuses to acknowledge the rest so there is no point. At the beginning when I met with him I printed all of the information off for him to see exactly where I was coming from and I only printed the information that he could find. (I didn't print anything from 1930 or earlier unless I had an authentic copy of the material with me so he could see it was all genuine and not made up by some stranger) I even have copies of the old Russell books Studies of the scriptures all six volumes. All he said to it though was that is so far in the past it doesn't mean anything now. Oh right because it proves against your teachings except when something from the past or someone outside the WTS said something positive then we will use it, other wise it's to old or apostasy! What a load of crap! You just can't win, so why bother?
hi everyone, i am supposed to meet with an elder tonight.
i met several times with him before going over questions (my mother thinks he will restore my evil thinking).
anyway we have already gone over all of the basics (1874,1914,607 no answer for this one, the un and everything else).
Thank you PeacefulPete and everybody who has welcomed me to the forum! Yea the elder told me almost the exact same thing, that's freighting! They just want to take away your ability to think. Stay away from all these areas and read the watchtower. I've been doing that all my life and I've been miserable. When questioning something or someone you need to have both sides and then with your common sense and thinking capacity decide which one is correct.
hi everyone, i am supposed to meet with an elder tonight.
i met several times with him before going over questions (my mother thinks he will restore my evil thinking).
anyway we have already gone over all of the basics (1874,1914,607 no answer for this one, the un and everything else).
Thank you everybody for your responses, I really appreciate it!!
Sadly I am baptized, and was raised in this organization. My dad was an elder for 17 years. (Last two where as PO) My parents split back in 99 and that is when the door opened up for my brother. He learned everything he could have and then went off to college and finished his degree. He hates this cult more than anything!! But when I was younger I didn't really listen to what he had to say, wish I did. I was just like everybody else, I knew this was "the truth" and didn't really give much thought to what he told me.
Sadly I got baptized when I was 16, I didn't know crap, but of course they still baptized me. Hell they will baptize 9 year olds just to make sure there stuck in this cult. Anyway I finally reached rock bottom when I was 19 and had too many questions. My brother gave me the quotes website and Ray Franz CC, that was a year ago. Anyway, All of my questions where answered using so called "apostasy material" in the end it was WTBTS litature, and I have been soo much happier knowing the real truth.
I am still going to meetings because I have not built up the courage to just walk away (I have no friends on the outside and am just financially not able to live on my own if all came down to me leaving). At the longest it will be the summer/fall of 2007 when I leave because then I will have my degree and I can just get a job, move and never be seen again.
I met with the elder tonight and he couldn't prove 607, obviously. But told me I need to read the insight book again. And told me to stop reading apostate litature. I told him it was all WTBTS litature and he just ignored it and told me to study more.
It really pisses me off; he had no humility in him. He barely listened to what I had to say. Just quickly shrugged it off and went back to the first century Christians.
In the end it doesn't matter, I know the real truth and have never been happier. (Well I will be happier once I am no longer apart of it) I just went there to please my mom but I also was very humble. If he could prove me wrong on all the 607, 1874, the UN, Rutherford entire presidency, then I would faithfully repent get df'd and come back as a pioneer and go to bethel. But we all know that's not possible so he can eat it.
Knowledge is a wonderful thing, no one or group will convince me otherwise!!
Thank you soo much for your post, again I really appreciate it!!
